“Once Saved Always Saved.” Is it a Biblical Truth?

There are many people in the world who believe, “Once a person is saved, they are always saved.” I don’t buy their argument because anything that is dependent upon an agreement between two persons can be broken by one party or the other. Our relationship with the Lord is an agreement between two parties whereby both parties agree to fulfill certain aspects of their relationship so their partnership last for eternity. If either of the two parties break the terms of the agreement, the other party has the option of cancelling the agreement. I think we all understand the principle of contracts and all agreements operate on the same principles as contracts. Now to go back in time some 4500 years to the formation of the nation of Israel through the loins of a man named Abraham. I know people will say the original agreement was between the Father and the Son who are the Smoking Furnace and the Burning Lamp who passed between the halves of the animals that had been sacrificed to make the Abrahamic covenant of blood effective back in Genesis 15, and I know that the Abrahamic covenant wasn’t actually between God and man, but God and God. I know this is true, but the Father and the Son cut the covenant between them so that man would become the beneficiary of that covenant. Therefore man has certain obligations to meet to be a benefactor of that covenant even though he wasn’t an active participant. The jest of the covenant between the Father and the Son was that man would be the benefactor of the blessings of the covenant which covers the three aspects of our physical life that includes our prosperity, good health, and soundness of mind. This was the first of two important blood covenants. The second was the shedding of the blood of Jesus the Son of God that cleanses us from all sin. The punishment for breaking a blood covenant is the death of the offending party. If you read the Old Testament you will see that God was gracious to the Israelites who were the benefactors of the blood covenant between the Father and Son in the book of Genesis. They broke that covenant over and over again, but still God was merciful to them. Eventually ten of the tribes were defeated by their enemies and dispersed around the Assyrian empire, and in AD 70 the other two tribes were sent to Rome and dispersed around the world for two thousand years because of their failure to fulfill their part of the agreement. The Son of God whom we know as Jesus Christ stood in the place of man in the covenant in Genesis 15, and because man broke the covenant, the Son of God (Jesus Christ) had to suffer (die on the cross) in our place when the penalty for breaking that covenant was handed down. Do you now understand why God frowns upon people who take their salvation so lightly?

I have a problem with people who mutter a few words under their breath thinking once they have done that they are saved for eternity. I have never met a person who was close to dying that wasn’t excited and vocal about their salvation experience when they realized how close to death they really were. Therefore, I look at our salvation experience in the Lord as being very similar to that of a drowning person. If that drowning person is rescued from a certain death, that is an experience they should never forget, and one of which they owe a debt of gratitude for which they can never repay the person who saved them. But there are a lot of unthankful people in the world who might be thankful for a short time following their rescue from certain death, but go back to their old way of life a short time later forgetting the one who saved them as though nothing of importance ever happened to them. Was that person saved from drowning? Yes, they were. Can they forget about their life saving experience and return to their old way of life? Yes, they can. People do it all the time. Does that mean they were never saved? No, it doesn’t. It simply means if they can so easily turn away from the one who saved them; they weren’t really grateful for that person risking their life to save them from certain death. That is why I have a hard time understanding how people can believe just because a person was saved on a particular day that they cannot not walk away from that experience and forget it ever happened. People not only can, they do. Now the question remains, “Does the Lord who saved us from certain death on a particular day have to honor a person with eternal life, even though that person refuses to honor Him for what He did for them?” I don’t think so; and I will go to the Book of Hebrews chapter 10, verses 26-31 to get a biblical perspective on this subject. The writer states, “For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, (The writer is writing to born again Hebrew Christians about their salvation experience. He isn’t writing to unbelieving Jews who had not accepted Jesus as their Savior.) there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. (The law of Moses was given to men to control the actions of natural man and to warn those who contemplated breaking God’s law; not to.) Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he (the one whom Christ saved) be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay.” says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” The writer plainly states those persons who turned away from their Savior were facing a fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which would devour the adversaries of Christ who turned their back upon the Lord and returned to their former way of life, thus trampling underfoot the Son of God, counting the blood of the covenant by which he (the one time believer) was sanctified a common thing, and insulting the Spirit of grace.

How could anyone not possibly understand what these scriptures are saying? For in them we see the writer plainly state there is a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fiery indignation that will devour the adversaries of Christ who have turned away from their Savior to once again follow Satan and his lying, cheating ways. If they do not repent of their actions, they make themselves an adversary of Christ and will be counted among those who will be devoured by fire.  DThrash

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9 Comments

  1. DThrasher

    Don,
    If I remember correctly you came onto my blog and stated your opinion. That was okay, but I didn’t ask for your opinion, nor did anyone else. Try as you might, you are not arguing with me, you are arguing against the scriptures that back up my teaching and trying to draw attention away from what those scripture say about your ‘once saved always saved’ beliefs and attempting to refocus the readers attention on me, as though I’m some bad guy. It’s an old ploy that dates all the way back to the garden. I have been studying the scriptures for well over thirty years and it will take more than your present tactics to draw me into a pointless discussion in which you still have not produced a single bible scripture to support your written opinion. The comments portion of this blog is now closed to you until you apologize to the readers for insulting my and their intelligence and scriptural knowledge. You have a nice day. DThrash

  2. D,

    So your salvation is conditional. I’m sorry to hear this.
    What person do you know who has become born-again and then walked away?
    Apparently someone along the lines upset you in some way for you to be so adamantly “your holiness determines your salvation’s power”.

    Ah well. Enough.
    Good day, D.

    Donald in Bethel, CT

  3. DThrasher

    Don
    In no way do I infer you are not living a life pleasing to the Lord. I do not know you, but I know the teaching of the osas and the basis for that teaching is off base. If a person accepts the Lord as their Savior, but turns their back on him and never repents of that sin, according to scripture that person’s salvation is in danger.

    I have a friend who believes in ‘once saved always saved’. he is one of the most anointed songwriters I know. Some of his past songs have been on every big named Christian artist’s records that were recorded and played in many churches doing worship servies. He lives for the Lord, he is bold, and he is one of the most anointed preachers I have heard, but that doesn’t change the fact that his believing a person is always saved and only lose their rewards if they live a life of sin after receiving Christ is not scriptural. I do not condemn him for his beliefs because his life proves his allegiance to Christ, and neither does he get mad at me because I question his beliefs on the subject. DThrash

  4. DThrasher,

    Do I give you the impression my OSAS mindset means I am living a life contradictory to what Jesus has for me, in some childish way of doing as I please and thumbing my nose at God?

    So quick to assume I am not disciplined or mindful of what pleases my Father, and so ready to assume I am advocating a life of rebellion and purposed sinning.

    It is much harder, in the aspect of holiness based on being judged by what others see in me, to live as I live. Yet I can do so only because The Spirit guides me in what holiness is, and it is not something The LORD has burdened any of us with as some cruel litmus test of one’s faith.

    Take care, DThrasher. You have no need or call to worry about my salvation. Jesus has me right where He wants me, all the time, everyday, even on Christmas and Easter. Nice try in deflecting my OSAS mindset as being comparative to the serpent in The Garden.

    In Christ my faithful King and Savior,
    Donald in Bethel, CT

  5. DThrasher

    Don,
    I don’t know what you are referring to in your last statement, but your argument is with the Word of God, it isn’t with me. But I can say, the argument you are attempting to use is the very same argument the serpent in the garden used on Eve when he said, “Has God indeed said.” and “You shall not surely die, because God knows…” God did know; and that’s why He told Adam in Genesis 2:16 “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die!”

    God told Adam, “You will surely die.”
    Satan said, “You shall not surely die.”
    Adam and Eve listened to the serpent rather than the Lord God, and ‘they died’.

    Now you are saying, “Once saved, always saved…” which contradicts God’s Word, the terrible punishment of the nation of Israel for their rebellion, the parables of the Ten Virgins, and the Unjust Steward, the story of the two men who heard God’s Word in the Beatitudes where one built his house on the rock, the other on sand. One stood, and the other fell. One heard and acted, the other heard and did his own thing. Jesus said, Great was his destruction. All of these have to do with repentance, being obedient to the Lord, and ready to meet Him when He comes. If the person isn’t – Great is his destruction.

    Hebrews 10:26-31 warns the saved one’s, “When a Christian goes back to their old way of life and never repents of that sin, “There no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries…” And, “Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he (the one whom Christ saved) be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?”

    It is your choice to do what you want, just like it was Adam and Eve’s choice to ignore God’s warning and partake of the forbidden fruit. They made a wrong choice. I hope the same thing doesn’t happen to you.
    DThrash

  6. DThrasher,

    You have not failed to do as I knew you would.

    Awesome.

  7. To me it is simple. The very people who crucified Christ, rejected him. The term apostates are those who are the Christians that turn there back on the Lord and reject him as there savior. Jesus will not Save you if you do not CHOOSE to be saved. God knows ill slip sometimes, and he knows ill even stumble. But John the Baptist said Repent! (Meaning ask forgiveness and don’t do it again. If we KNOWINGLY sin, we turn our back against Christ, and we Reject him as the Jews did 2000 years ago. Annanias was proof of this in Acts 5:3.

    And as for Judas they say well he was NEVER saved. But that contradicts there beliefs. Judas walked with God, talked with God, and Jesus called him FRIEND. He dined with him, communed with him and even received the power and authority Jesus gave the other disciples. But he chose to reject him and killed himself thus not receiving this eternal security.

    Eternal Salvation (which is biblical) does not mean eternal security. It just means that Jesus died on the cross 2000 years ago, the blood was shed and it will always be there for when we decide we want it to cover our hearts.

  8. DThrasher

    Don Says: If it is an agreement and contract, and not a Covenant that we have in Christ, then what’s the point?

    DThrash’s Response: I was using the words agreement and contract in the beginning of my blog because these are terms people in our day and time are familiar with and understand that they are legally binding. People understand that concept, but not everyone is familiar with the term covenant.

    A blood covenant is an agreement between two or more persons who stood in the shed blood of innocent animals who were slit in half from nose to tail. Those persons who stood in the blood made promises to one another that they would uphold the terms of the covenant; if they didn’t, they died. In my topic, the covenant was between God the Father (the smoking furnace) and His Son (the burning torch)in Genesis 15 of which men were the beneficiaries of the provision of that covenant. Man did not fulfill the role of beneficiary and God’s Son (the burning torch) had to die because man ‘failed’ as you call it.

    New Testament: Jesus Christ is the Son of God who was the burning torch in Genesis 15, and at the right time He came to die as punishment for man breaking the Abrahamic Covenant. That was the deal He made with His Father (the Smoking Furnace) because the Son took Abraham’s place in the blood. Now, if Jesus, the Son of God who was the burning torch had to die because man broke the Abrahamic Covenant – why do you think man won’t have to die for breaking the New Covenant that is a better covenant and written in the blood of the Son of God, or the Lamb of God as John the Baptist called Him? When the writer of Hebrews, be it the Apostle Paul, Doctor Luke, or whoever, who understood covenant far better than we ever will, stated in Hebrews 10, “For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, (The writer is writing to born again Hebrew Christians about their salvation experience. He isn’t writing to unbelieving Jews who had not accepted Jesus as their Savior.) there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. (The law of Moses was given to men to control the actions of natural man and to warn those who contemplated breaking God’s law; not to.) Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he (the one whom Christ saved) be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay.” says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.”

    Do you not understand that when we are born again, or saved, we enter into that salvation through the blood of Christ, that perfectly sinless person who died on the cross of Calvary, whose blood washes us as white as snow; and when God the Father looks at the new born Christian, He see’s him through the blood of Christ? That is what the writer of Hebrews is talking about. The author of Hebrews is talking about a saved person who walked with Christ, but turned to his old way of life for whatever reason, as one who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?

    Don Says: We didn’t choose God–He chose us. This is why it is such a magnificent salvation, a wondrous salvation, and a completely consuming and awesome salvation. He chose us. He knows we will fail. He knows we can never, ever uphold that legalistic holiness demands that so many churches impose on their flock to bring about guilt and submission.

    DThrash’s Response: God chose Abraham and his descendants to be His chosen people, but that didn’t keep them from killing the Son of God who came to save them. Do you think those people God chose and who killed His Son are in paradise or heaven waiting to spend eternity with the Father? I don’t. I think they are in hell where Jesus said they would be going because their father was the devil. And it didn’t keep God from allowing the Assyrians to take the ten tribes of Northern Israel captive whom were beneficiaries of that same Abrahamic Covenant. God didn’t save them and they have never been heard from again.

    The remaining two tribes from Judah (who were also partakers of that Abrahamic Covenant) killed the Son of God. The Romans in AD70 spread those same Jews around the world where they suffered at the hands of men for two thousand years some of the worse persecution men ever dreamed of, and culminating in the deaths of some six million Jews in Nazi Germany during World War II. God didn’t save them from their punishment.

    God chose Judas to be one of the twelve apostles. He turned against Jesus and sold Him out for thirty-pieces of silver. God chose him, but He didn’t save him.

    God didn’t save the Northern Israelites, even though they were partakers of the Abrahamic covenant. He let them die and be spread around the world to never be heard from again because they turned their backs to him and followed their own ways.

    He didn’t save Judah for the same reason and they all died except for some 650 who were taken to Babylon for 70 years. God didn’t keep the thousand upon thousands who died during that seige from being killed by the Babylonian king.

    God didn’t save Judas. He let him kill himself.

    Over and over again throughout scripture, God chose people, but they died when they turned their back upon Him. And He says in the last book of the Old Testament, “I am the Lord thy God; I change not.” [Malachi 3:6], but now He has supposedly changed His way of dealing with the people He has chosen. He no longer punishes those who break His covenant. Instead of dying for their sins of rebellion, they are rewarded with eternal life. Which is completely contrary to what the author of Hebrews wrote concerning this matter.

    Don Says: Once Saved Always Saved= freedom to fail. The freedom to fail.

    Your words are breaking my heart.

    DThrash’s Response: And you, dear sir, are not arguing with me about the matter of once saved always saved, but with Hebrews chapter 10 which is perfectly clear on the issue.

  9. If it is an agreement and contract, and not a Covenant that we have in Christ, then what’s the point?
    It is a Covenant, The New Covenant, and it is not dependent upon you or me upholding our end of “the deal”.

    We didn’t choose God–He chose us. This is why it is such a magnificent salvation, a wondrous salvation, and a completely consuming and awesome salvation. He chose us. He knows we will fail. He knows we can never, ever uphold that legalistic holiness demands that so many churches impose on their flock to bring about guilt and submission.

    Once Saved Always Saved= freedom to fail. The freedom to fail.

    Your words are breaking my heart.

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